Beatport presents Mixed In Key’s “Harmonic Mixing” DJ Contest - Page 2

Joe-Shadows · 30-09-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by t4e

sure, but i still don't consider a 10-15 mix to be a journey

furthermore they want the mix to "inspire listeners to become fans of that music genre"

a megamix can't possibly inspire someone to become a fan, a megamix is appreciated by listeners that are familiar with the whole track

10-15 mins re Not Enough 2 Admit By Listeners Or 'll Not Guide Anyone Towards A Genre !!!

I See Mega Mix 's Commercial More Than A Mix With Full Tracks !!!

dfx · 01-10-2009, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe-Shadows

U Can Do it Like 1A/2A/3A/3A/4A/5A/6A/7A/6A/5A ...etc , .... Also F With F# & G With G# ...etc .

no you can NOT mix F into F# or G into G#, that will sound totally horrible!

Joe-Shadows · 01-10-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dfx

no you can NOT mix F into F# or G into G#, that will sound totally horrible!

I Tried Many Tunes In That way & Worked

!! Maybe In Not All Cases

It Also Differs From The Way Each DJ Mix !!!

dfx · 02-10-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe-Shadows

I Tried Many Tunes In That way & Worked

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then you totally did not understand harmonic mixing.

going one semitone up or down is almost as far off-key as you can go.

t4e · 02-10-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe-Shadows

I 've Tried Alot & Found That The Best Way For Building Up My Mixes ,,, Also Sometime If I want A Track 2 Be on & Not On key , Always Use The Original & Use My ears 2 See If it Fits Or Not

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what you mean "use the original", the original mix, what's wrong with a remix?

Joe-Shadows · 02-10-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dfx

then you totally did not understand harmonic mixing.

going one semitone up or down is almost as far off-key as you can go.

Well I Scarcely Do That G With G#$ ,,,etc ... Mostly I Do The Way as I Told 2A/3A/ ....etc .... Few Some Tracks I Mixed Which Like I Told

& I Can Prove That

!!! & Also I Think Most Of My Mixes 're Well Built Up !! So I Dont need 2 Worry Coz That Works With Me

SOmething I Want 2 add , That Mixed in Keys Developer ThemSelves Confessed That Mixed in Key Program is not 100% Accurate in Reading Keys

... So As I Told in Some Ways it Works

& As I Told Ya ,, Everyone has his Own Way in mixing

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Originally Posted by t4e

what you mean "use the original", the original mix, what's wrong with a remix?

Nopeee !!! ,, I meant The Origin ( Our Ears ) ,, Coz Mixed in Keys is Not 100% Accurate

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t4e · 02-10-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe-Shadows

Nopeee !!! ,, I meant The Origin ( Our Ears ) ,, Coz Mixed in Keys is Not 100% Accurate

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there's other programs that would give you the keys

while i agree that some tracks will mix in nicely at even 3 "hours" difference i can't agree that mixing two tracks on the opposite sides of the spectrum can possibly sound good, the melodies will crash badly, assuming you are not using any other sounds/effects to bridge the transition, which is not the purpose of this competition and doesn't qualify as mixed in key

Joe-Shadows · 02-10-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by t4e

there's other programs that would give you the keys

while i agree that some tracks will mix in nicely at even 3 "hours" difference i can't agree that mixing two tracks on the opposite sides of the spectrum can possibly sound good, the melodies will crash badly, assuming you are not using any other sounds/effects to bridge the transition, which is not the purpose of this competition and doesn't qualify as mixed in key

Yeah !! I Use Another Program Which Detects Also The keys !! But There 's Something I Just Noticed ,,, That The Program I Use Doesnt Read The Same SeQuence of The Key & KeyCode Of The Spectrum

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I Think It's Not In Opposite Side !! I Reviewed many Old Sets I did & Found That about 3 Times I Did mix on That way & was the transition at least good with no noise , I believe u 're right Too ( Theoretical ) But in Practical Key Readers 're not 100% accurate ,,,

also Something I Did Deduce from Tryin 2 Produce ,, That I may Make a Track With Key Code 7A & After Finishing it , It Becomes 9A For Ex.

Therefore The Other Elements in The Track affects also the Keys ,,, That means That The Key reader 'll Not Predict The Key of The Melody Alone , Just Only The Sound Of The Whole Track ,,, If The MaJority of The Track Elements Key 're 7A 'll Read The Whole Key 7A ,, While May be The Track Main Pads For Ex 's 4A 'when Readed Seperatly !!!!

Just My Point !!!Despte I Support Using Key SeQuence ,,, But If The Keys SaYs NO & May My Ears Says Yes & in That Case I 'd Trust My Ears

t4e · 02-10-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe-Shadows

Just My Point !!!Despte I Support Using Key SeQuence ,,, But If The Keys SaYs NO & May My Ears Says Yes & in That Case I 'd Trust My Ears

there will always be some errors in detection, so that is certainly the way to go, your ears and experience surpasses any machine based result

dfx · 02-10-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe-Shadows

I Think It's Not In Opposite Side !! I Reviewed many Old Sets I did & Found That about 3 Times I Did mix on That way & was the transition at least good with no noise

it still is on almost opposite sides. F is on 4A and F# is on 11A. that's a difference of 5 keys!

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Originally Posted by Joe-Shadows

also Something I Did Deduce from Tryin 2 Produce ,, That I may Make a Track With Key Code 7A & After Finishing it , It Becomes 9A For Ex.

Therefore The Other Elements in The Track affects also the Keys ,,, That means That The Key reader 'll Not Predict The Key of The Melody Alone , Just Only The Sound Of The Whole Track ,,, If The MaJority of The Track Elements Key 're 7A 'll Read The Whole Key 7A ,, While May be The Track Main Pads For Ex 's 4A 'when Readed Seperatly !!!!

you're confusing chords with keys. a track only has a single key, but has many different chords. as for mixing, the key is only a rough guideline, which most of the time works "good enough", but for real perfect mixing, you'd have to note the beginning chord and the ending chord of each track. many times they're the same as the key, but not always, in which cases the transitions won't be perfectly in-key... please read up on musical theory. the more different chords you have in a track, the less accurate key detection will be, because there is less of a "real true" answer to the question which key the track is in.

that's why there's so many bad sounding mashups out there. noob "producers" taking two tracks that are in the same key and just putting the parts over each other, while the tracks are actually changing chords at different spots, making the mashup sound totally awful.

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Originally Posted by Joe-Shadows

Well I Scarcely Do That G With G#$ ,,,etc ... Mostly I Do The Way as I Told 2A/3A/ ....etc .... Few Some Tracks I Mixed Which Like I Told

& I Can Prove That

!!! & Also I Think Most Of My Mixes 're Well Built Up !! So I Dont need 2 Worry Coz That Works With Me

ok, but you're missing the point. yes, there's many transitions that will sound fine while they're not in-key. but either you're mixing in-key or you aren't, and when you go from F to F#, you are totally off-key!