31-03-2007 Afterhours.FM Torrent Server *closed as of Dec 1st 08*

[dfx]

Originally Posted by DhumKetu

Ummm .. try taking a written consent from your fav artist signed under Sony or EMI and mess with one of his tracks and see the royal treatment you get from these Labels via RIAA.

A sight clarification ... the term "looses all rights to his own creation!" is more like loosing control over how it shall be used by its authorized seller ( the record company ) for making profits out of it, promote/feature/recompile it, or similar.

yes, i just wanted to point out that the copyright still remains with the original artist and it will always do so

of course it doesn't mean the artist can actually do anything with it, because he may have signed contracts preventing him from that. it's just that some people think that signing a track to a label means they lose copyright - that's not true.

[haig]

Originally Posted by DhumKetu

Another funny thing is, once an artist submits his work to a Record Company, he looses all rights to his own creation!

Well how about we don't go to the labels and give you all our work for free ?



....Don't tell me you will not earned any profits from the track

[DhumKetu]

Originally Posted by Haig

Well how about we don't go to the labels and give you all our work for free ?



....Don't tell me you will not earned any profits from the track

Isnt that the reason why Indie Record Labels and online music stores have become popular?

Isnt that the reason why Artists are testing new concept of free downloads against a donation/price of the album which the fan thinks is justified?

[haig]

Originally Posted by DhumKetu

Isnt that the reason why Indie Record Labels and online music stores have become popular?

Isnt that the reason why Artists are testing new concept of free downloads against a donation/price of the album which the fan thinks is justified?

This is my point,Thank you

[a'ndY]

Trance becoming donationware...

[Roheight]

Originally Posted by dfx

yes. what exactly that is depends on the local legislation of the broadcaster, or in other words, on the laws of the country the broadcaster is from. for most countries, the broadcaster needs to pay royalties, usually dependent on how many listeners there are. canada is one of the few exceptions, web broadcasters are freed from paying royalties, and AH hails from canada. this is why AH is fully legal.

Thanks DFX, exactly my point.

[KasieX]

Originally Posted by a'ndY

Trance becoming donationware...

I strongly believe this is the future of music on the internet.

We should stop wasting our energy trying to find ways to put copyrighted material on torrent or anywhere else on the web. The future of the Internet belongs to free contents and services, and donations (I call it "free payment", see my blog post The Process of Free: The Missing Link Blogging in the Cloud) should be regarded as a legitimate and the preferred way to get revenues from fans.

Many of us already donate for content generated under open licensing schemes. My belief is that many more people would donate if a “culture” of payment for creative work was created. AH.FM is a living proof that people are wise and mature enough to freely pay for something they love.

[Bastard]

Hi!!!

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salu2

[t4e]

Originally Posted by Bastard

Hi!!!

what happened http ://torrents.ah.fm ?¿?¿

PLEASE

salu2

you are in the very thread explaining it, go back about 10 pages and read on starting from post #44

[a'ndY]

Originally Posted by KasieX

I strongly believe this is the future of music on the internet.

We should stop wasting our energy trying to find ways to put copyrighted material on torrent or anywhere else on the web. The future of the Internet belongs to free contents and services, and donations (I call it "free payment", see my blog post The Process of Free: The Missing Link Blogging in the Cloud) should be regarded as a legitimate and the preferred way to get revenues from fans.

Many of us already donate for content generated under open licensing schemes. My belief is that many more people would donate if a “culture” of payment for creative work was created. AH.FM is a living proof that people are wise and mature enough to freely pay for something they love.

The problem I see here is that a track needs to be mastered well, with expensive equipment, otherwise it won't sound good. Not every artist can afford that and has the knowledge how to master a track properly, so he needs somebody who does that for him for him - this will cost money, and therefore is a risk for the producer. Same with software for producing... so loads of other things would have to become donationware as well, which is highly unlikely.

just my 2 cents :smile1:

[dfx]

Originally Posted by a'ndY

The problem I see here is that a track needs to be mastered well, with expensive equipment, otherwise it won't sound good. Not every artist can afford that and has the knowledge how to master a track properly, so he needs somebody who does that for him for him - this will cost money, and therefore is a risk for the producer. Same with software for producing... so loads of other things would have to become donationware as well, which is highly unlikely.

just my 2 cents :smile1:

two points here... 1) many producers do the mastering themselves, 2) software can be free as well. but granted, as much as i'm in favor of free content (and there is plenty of that around, actual content like wikipedia, loads of great free software etc), it's not always possible or feasible. in the past, labels were important to get the music out to the people. this is still their strength today, they take care of making the tracks available on all relevant platforms and promoting them. however for online media, this isn't really necessary, it could just as well be on a free platform ala wikipedia. but then again, many artists would rather get money for the tracks they produce instead of giving them away for free - relying on donations won't work i think. so what's needed is a free, open platform for this kinda thing, one that works and gets the job done, and more importantly is well supported.

er well, rambling over without any conclusion...

[KasieX]

Originally Posted by dfx

two points here... 1) many producers do the mastering themselves, 2) software can be free as well. but granted, as much as i'm in favor of free content (and there is plenty of that around, actual content like wikipedia, loads of great free software etc), it's not always possible or feasible. in the past, labels were important to get the music out to the people. this is still their strength today, they take care of making the tracks available on all relevant platforms and promoting them. however for online media, this isn't really necessary, it could just as well be on a free platform ala wikipedia. but then again, many artists would rather get money for the tracks they produce instead of giving them away for free - relying on donations won't work i think. so what's needed is a free, open platform for this kinda thing, one that works and gets the job done, and more importantly is well supported.

er well, rambling over without any conclusion...

I would not underestimate free payment's (donation) economic potential. It is more or less the same argument that was made when Wikipedia first started: people wouldn't believe you could build an encyclopedia relying only on unpaid voluntary work. I realize that giving money is another step but I think people are more and more ready for it. It is not about generosity, it is about willingly paying for something you consume and love.

I am curious to hear Dan opinion on the subject since he is experiencing first hand with donations? :smile1:

[Dan]

thx for bringing me into this kasiex hah

This is a hard topic, everyone has their own opinions, so I can say my also, my opinion is that music industry is slowly moving into something i would call "free zone" now before anyone flames me reason i say that is, many DJ's are starting to realize that giving away free music, sorta gets them more gigs, i mean the money they make on a gig does not even come close to what their track would pay them. What you will see in future is many DJ's will open up their own labels, will give away free music, in return they will get more exposure, ending in possibly more gigs.

Like i said above, this is just my theory based on djs that talk to me and I have a 2000 person msn list mostly djs In regards to donations, when i started the Radio we were 128k ... then after just 2 months i decided to go to 192K, and also decided to be FREE, reason is, if someone really likes what AH.FM is doing, they like how professional we are they will donate, many people tune in from their work daily, our AVG listen time is 9 hours, people really enjoy the music here, not only because AH.FM is 99% exclusive but due to our high quality.

We don't believe in charging listeners to listen, although donations is a really big matter for me, cause without them AH.FM would not be what it is today.

So thank you all who donate to keep AH.FM running.

Originally Posted by KasieX

I would not underestimate free payment's (donation) economic potential. It is more or less the same argument that was made when Wikipedia first started: people wouldn't believe you could build an encyclopedia relying only on unpaid voluntary work. I realize that giving money is another step but I think people are more and more ready for it. It is not about generosity, it is about willingly paying for something you consume and love.

I am curious to hear Dan opinion on the subject since he is experiencing first hand with donations? :smile1:

[KasieX]

Originally Posted by Dan

thx for bringing me into this kasiex hah

This is a hard topic, everyone has their own opinions, so I can say my also, my opinion is that music industry is slowly moving into something i would call "free zone" now before anyone flames me reason i say that is, many DJ's are starting to realize that giving away free music, sorta gets them more gigs, i mean the money they make on a gig does not even come close to what their track would pay them. What you will see in future is many DJ's will open up their own labels, will give away free music, in return they will get more exposure, ending in possibly more gigs.

Like i said above, this is just my theory based on djs that talk to me and I have a 2000 person msn list mostly djs In regards to donations, when i started the Radio we were 128k ... then after just 2 months i decided to go to 192K, and also decided to be FREE, reason is, if someone really likes what AH.FM is doing, they like how professional we are they will donate, many people tune in from their work daily, our AVG listen time is 9 hours, people really enjoy the music here, not only because AH.FM is 99% exclusive but due to our high quality.

We don't believe in charging listeners to listen, although donations is a really big matter for me, cause without them AH.FM would not be what it is today.

So thank you all who donate to keep AH.FM running.

What do you think of donation as a business model for EDM industry or in general?

[Dan]

Originally Posted by KasieX

What do you think of donation as a business model for EDM industry or in general?

Business model? its very vague... but if someone really likes something they will donate, that's my take on it.

For example last week I tried a new software for my mac called Airfoil, its free but they have a donate button, i liked this software so much that I donated 20$

Someone had to spend the time coding it etc, I liked it and so i Donate, I also use this same theory in music, someone needs to spend the time to make the tracks, someone likes it they will donate.

But then again, there is many types of people out there, some that do appreciate and some that will just abuse. That's what makes everyone uniq

Hope that answers your question my friend.